Below is the transcript from a group discussion in Blogstreams Salon on the topic of Podcasting. TappedIn automatically sends a transcript of your chat to each participant. Tappedin transcript for DanielC, 2005.06.19 15:12:11 From: <mail-service@tappedin.org> To: dan@danielcraig.com Date: Jun 19 2005 - 5:17pm DanielC contributed 22 messages, 12 private messages during 73 minutes. 2005.06.19 13:58:40 Login Room: DC_office DanielC joined the room. DanielC left the room. Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. GrahamS: http://blog-efl.blogspot.com/ - see if it loads any faster SteveN looks at Dave...who is Adrianne? BeeD welcomes Daniel GrahamS: Hi DAniel RobertWB: I reloaded and that was much faster, but it may be reading it from my cache. DaveGst3: Somebody just asked if I was one of Adrianne's students. DanielC: Hi to you too GrahamS and everyone else RobertWB: Hi Daniel. RitaZ joined the room. GrahamS: Hi Rita RobertWB: Rita!!!!!! BeeD hugs Rita warmly RitaZ: hi, Graham and all AaronPC: Hi Rita, Daniel, Sus! GrahamS: Thanks for your audio question - it's in the podcast RitaZ hugs all dear friends RobertWB: Sus, you snuck in, I didnt seeyou. RitaZ: my pleasure, Graham BeeD: Well...so let's start BJB2 joined the room. GrahamS: Sorry I didn't manage to finish the podcast before this session SusanneN hugs bob, Bee, rita BJ and everyone who wish to get hugged GrahamS: it's now a post-session podcast BeeD: To make a larger area for viewing the discussion click on "detach" under the "actions" pull down menu just above and to the right of the text display area. From there, you can detach and also choose a larger font. RobertWB: Just tell them it is in Part 2, Graham. BeeD: I think it is time to start GrahamS: ok BeeD: Welcome to the third Blogstreams Salon Special Session on the topic: Introducing podcasting in EFL/ESL BeeD: We are very pleased to receive Barcelona-based EFL teacher and expert weblogger and podcaster ,Graham Stanley BeeD: But before we start, would you please introduce yourselves for the record? JamesSB joined the room. GrahamS: I'm not sure anout the expert bit, but thankyou JamesSB: hello everyone BeeD: welcomes James...we have just started JamesSB: sorry i'm late BeeD: *** Please type a brief introduction now *** EmilyW: I am Emily, a recent college graduate and web designer AaronPC: My name is Aaron Campbell and I teach EFL at Kyoto Sangyo University. PeterTr: Hi. My name's Peter Travis and I'm working with the Flo-joe team. RobertWB: Elderbob - Texas USA - Mad scientist. BeeD: Barbara Dieu is an EFL teacher at the Franco-Brazilian school in Sao Paulo, Brazil JamesSB: james in paris... teaching in two graduate level engineering schools... using blogs for 2 years LesleyG: I'm an EFL teacher in Bordeaux France. I'm a podcast virgin. BeeD: lol GrahamS smiles SusanneN: Sus Nyrop, Demnark, a webhead and a blogger, and online learning consultant SteveN: Hi, I'm Steve from North Cyprus, and I work at the Eastern Mediterranean University. SusanneN: I'm now listening to your pleasant voice in the podcast, take care that the music does not make too much noise, Graham DanielC: My name is Dan Craig. I'm a phd student/instructor in a language education program at Indiana University. I'm relatively new to blogging and podcasting, but very interested. GrahamS: Thanks Susanne EmilyW: I graduated from Indiana DanielC: IU in the house :) RitaZ: EFL teacher in Argentina, CALL SIG conductor in my place, webhead, prepares stds to sit for Cambridge EFL and CAE BeeD: Just one thing before you start Graham...The archive for this session will be available here in this room, with links from both the Community Blog and the Blogstreams Salon Group and it will also be filed in the Weblogging Yahoo Group GrahamS: Are we all done? BeeD bows to Graham and sits down GrahamS: So, hello everyone and thankyou for coming SusanneN left the room (signed off). SusanneN joined the room. GrahamS: I'm no expert in podcasting, but I am an enthusiast GrahamS: For those who don'0t know, the word 'podcasting' is a combination of ipod & broadcasting… BeeD: Well...this is already 75 percent of everything JamesSB grins GrahamS: although you don't need an ipod to do it… GrahamS: …as any mp3 player will suffice GrahamS: you can also listen to podcasts on your computer… GrahamS: ..but for me it's the idea of mobile learning that is exciting SusanneN: sjut what i'm doing now AaronPC nods GrahamS: A podcast is an audio file that is produced and uploaded to a server, but what makes it a podcast is... JamesSB listens in suspense JamesSB holding his breath GrahamS: when the blog/website that the file is uploaded to publishes an RSS feed that includes a feature called 'enclosures' GrahamS: The 'enclosures' feature of the RSS feed enables special software (called 'podcatching' or... GrahamS: 'ipodder' software (such as from http://www.ipodder.org) to read it. BeeD . o O ( a capturing device ) GrahamS: When you subscribe to the RSS feeds of podcasts, this software automatically downloads the... GrahamS: ...podcasts to your mp3 player or computer GrahamS: This means you can then take your mp3 player and listen to them on the way to work, etc. SusanneN: but I don't yet have iPodder installed, and I am listening? JamesSB thinks like rss newsfeeds DafneG joined the room. EmilyW left the room. JamesSB: wonders what susanne is listening to.... GrahamS: Yes, Susanne - you don't need to use ipodder SusanneN hugs Dafne BeeD: Welcome Daf...we have just startged RitaZ hugs Daf GrahamS: but it makes it easier DafneG hugs Sus and all JamesSB waves to dafne GrahamS: I plug in my mp3 player at night, and unplug it in the morning with lots of new podcasts in it SusanneN: could you explain to me why so it would be easier when having iPodder installed? GrahamS: because ipodder gets the content you subscribe to automatically BeeD: It captures the pods for you GrahamS: and you don't need to visit the websites MariaJ joined the room. GrahamS: exactly Bee MariaJ: Hi SteveN: Can't it save them on the hard disk of your computer? BeeD: like bloglines does for the rss feeds RobertWB: I podder has two elements....it acts as an aggregator to download your feed, and as a player to hear the podcast. GrahamS: Yes, it'll save them to any location you want to...including an mp3 player SusanneN: I think I almost begin to understand, but not perfectly clear though RobertWB: You can even burn them to a disc CD or DVD. DennisOl joined the room. GrahamS: There are also other 'podcatchers' (as they are called) BeeD waves to Dennis RitaZ: meaningful name... DafneG listens attentively GrahamS: And you can now also use iTunes I believe JamesSB: they're audio files that you can subscribe to and that get updated automatically DennisOl waves back to Bee GrahamS: that's it James DafneG: hola Dennis JamesSB: i haven't yet seen the feature in itunes and i've been looking SusanneN: for newcomers, here's the url with Graham's podcast http://www.grahamstanley.com/pod-efl/blog-efl-01-06192005.mp3 SteveN: The BBC does this now, doesn't it? GrahamS: It works best when the audio content is updated regularly...like a radio show JamesSB: thank you susanneN GrahamS: Yes, Steve - the BBC has started making some programmes available SusanneN: James, I'm on a mac and I suppose that I'm listning now using iTunes GrahamS: And for EFL learners and teachers , there's a new directory: Englsih Caster SteveN: What about copyright...presumably I could have a BBC documentary on my disk...can I rebroadcast this? JamesSB: yes you can listen to mp3 files... but there will be soon a way to subscribing to podcasts soon i hope GrahamS: http://www.englishcaster.com GrahamS: The BBC licence is for 1 week only GrahamS: it's a trial RobertWB: Steve, the answer to your question lies in how the material was licensed... DaveGst3 left the room (signed off). DafneG: I downloaded Bethoven's symphonies last week SteveN: A case by case basis... GrahamS: they started with one programme and it was such a success they've extended it BeeD: For those who need technical explanation on how to make a podcast go to http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies RobertWB: Some follks license all their podcast under a open source commons license. RitaZ: no risk of viruses...? DaveGst1 joined the room. RobertWB: You can use it repeatedly, but you cant alter it. GrahamS: To get back to EFL/ESL podcasting... SteveN: Like GNU RobertWB: Right Steve. BeeD listens attentively to Graham JamesSB listens too GrahamS: a site to keep an eye on is Comprehensible Input - a site for teachers is Comprehensible Input RobertWB: Elderbob follows BeeDs example. GrahamS: oops DennisOl waves and sends abrazos to Daf DafneG -) GrahamS: run by Scott Lockmann, with its own podcast: (http://ci.iplusone.org) SusanneN: how does one know what each podcast is about? I would not have much time and patience to listen to longer casts if I have no idea about what that is - a text I can skim or scan, but what about the podcast? DanielC left the room (signed off). Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. GrahamS: The podcast is normally linked to a blog JamesSB: that's where we can help each other to find interesting material GrahamS: And the etiquette is for the podcaster to provide 'show notes' DennisOl: I've seen some examples in which there's a short summary—an abstract, actually—of each podcast. GrahamS: so you have an idea if the podcast is interesting to you JamesSB: those are in the tags in the mp3 file right? LesleyG: is comprehensible input about teaching or material for using with students? SusanneN: aha, show notes, sounds reasonable. But if you're using the mp3 palyer only you don't have text notes? GrahamS: No, I don't think so BeeD: So you go to blogs which you know have focused content...like Graham's EFL Young Learners for instance GrahamS: no, Susanne RobertWB: You could also use other tagging devices like del.icio.us. JamesSB: i think you can look at the tags in the mp3 file and if it's well done you have information and at least an url to go to a website SteveN is getting hungry now GrahamS: There's talk of trying to do more to provide info to go with the podcasts GrahamS: but for now, it's not really adequate JamesSB opens his fridge and takes out some sandwiches ... passes them around BeeD: an Idiom a Day provides stds with a transcript GrahamS: Thanks James DennisOl: So far, I've heard two kinds of examples. One was very polished and rehearsed—a presentation, really. The other was more spontaneous. JamesSB gets a bottle of wine and glasses SteveN grab a sandwich from James BeeD: wow BeeD: what a refined picnic JamesSB: making good podcasts is really a lot of work though isn't it? GrahamS: Yes, the Daily Idiom site http://englishcaster.com/blogs/ has additional notes SusanneN: This is fun, i'm listening to Graham's podcast and now he's talking abolut RSS and iPodder DaveGst1 left the room (signed off). DafneG: I was going to ask that, James LesleyG tries to listen, drink and eat at the same time RobertWB: The problem has more to do with the software to make the transcription than it does the desire to have a transcription., JamesSB: how long did you work on tonight's podcast material Graham? GrahamS: yes, James - it takes a lot of time DennisOl passes around a tray of blini with caviar and sour cream GrahamS: It took me many hours Maggi joined the room. SteveN droolsss BeeD: Dennis, Dennis...you shouldn't have GrahamS: But that's because I inserted audio comments and music DafneG: hmmm, yummy, yummy GrahamS: You don't have to do that JamesSB: i see it as a great project to give my students to do... after listening to some interesting examples! DennisOl: ;') GrahamS: You can just turn on the mic and speak with notes RobertWB: Graham, do you see your self getting faster at it over time. BeeD: Yes...the kids would love to produce a sketch for instance JamesSB looks to see if Dennis has cold vodka too... SteveN: So, a naive technical question...where do the MP3s actually live? DafneG: if you are interested in specific content, I guess it would be better to create your own GrahamS: I like the idea of doing something similar to sushi radio RitaZ loves the wine and caviar, and thanks Dennis DaveGst3 joined the room. AaronPC: Good question Steve DennisOl passes around gelid Zubrovka and chilled pony glasses SusanneN: good question steve LesleyG: sushi radio? GrahamS: (http://www.sushiradio.com) - short (5-6 mins) podcasts JamesSB: your sound quality is really good Graham... were you using an external mike? SusanneN: ':smiles to Aaron GrahamS: they are mostly about travel or culture BeeD . o O ( I just love Zubrowka ) GrahamS: I was using Audacity (the free sound editing software) and a headset and mic DennisOl smiles JamesSB takes a sip of the Zubrowka... yummy DennisOl: Audacity works quite well, doesn' it? DennisOl: I've been using it for about a year. BeeD: but do not forget the lame file JamesSB: a headset with DSP (usb) or simpler GrahamS: Audacity has really impressed me this week BeeD: to convert it to mp3 DafneG: lame file? DafneG: I see GrahamS: It's easy to insert and to edit sound files, add music, etc GrahamS: and convert to mp3 JamesSB: easier said than done well BeeD: Now...what I would like to know is whether you have tried to record a conversation, an interview with someone online JamesSB: yours sounds great but i had to stop listening since it was hard to chat and listen at the same time GrahamS: I haven't, but I know people who have used Skype to do this SteveN: I've used CoolEdit Pro for audio work before....it was quite good. Nice interface. However, if I want to 'podcast' where do I cast my pods? JamesSB: it's tricky to get both ends of a conversation to record GrahamS: Thast's a good question Steve BeeD: I have not managed to do it GrahamS: You need webspace to upload your files to JamesSB: on the mac i have conference recorder that records even the video of an iChat audio or video chat SteveN: Any web server will do? GrahamS: And then make them available via an RSS feed DennisOl: Tell me more about conference recorder, James. BeeD: hmmm ...you mackers can do everything apparently :-) SusanneN: I've not heard about Conference rec order before, is that in os x 10.4? GrahamS: I believe so, but if you're going to have a lot of people download them, then bandwith is an issue DennisOl pour Bee a shot of pepper Wyborowa JamesSB: ecamm.com about 15 dollars and they do give an educational discount... but it's only for macs os10.3 and above SteveN: I notice that you use BLOGGER.COM -- do they provide webspace for my podcasts? BeeD: No SteveN sniffs the Wyborowa and then puts it down.... DafneG left the room (signed off). SusanneN: thank you James GrahamS: No, Steve - I have a website and have so far used this BeeD: you have to upload them to your own server BeeD: provider RobertWB: I have my audios on audioblog but put links on blogger. SteveN: Does every server support RSS? GrahamS: but there are spaces such as http://www.ourmedia.org which will host audio files for free AaronPC: What about Ourmedia? AaronPC smiles DennisOl: Thanks, James. SteveN scratches his head...for free??? must be a catch somewhere... RobertWB: I usggest that if you use ourmedia, you backup your audios on disc in case, ourmedia goes belly up. DafneG joined the room. BeeD: internet archives does it as well I think GrahamS: You can set up an RSS feed that is podcast friendly easily by using http://www.feedburner.com GrahamS: That's right Bee CarolineLC joined the room. BeeD: http://www.archive.org BeeD welcomes Caroline RobertWB: The newest Beta of firefox also will RSS feed podcast. GrahamS: I must admit, I've never tried Ourmedia - I think you have to agree to a special sort of copyright licence BeeD: You need the Creative Commons Licence RobertWB: Thats the Deer Park Alpha 1 beta of firefox. JamesSB: Robert do you mean the Sage plugin for firefox? BeeD: http://creativecommons.org/ SteveN: So, you record an MP3, save it on your computer and then upload it to a server. Then you have to make this available via an RSS feed. And you do this via your blog? GrahamS: That's right Steve BeeD: Graham...have you used podcasts with your students? RobertWB: Im sorry, not firefox, Thunderbird, the email program. LesleyG: But what about the enclosure? SteveN: Any blog server will support this? GrahamS: Bee, I've brought podcasts into class and played excerpts of them to my students BeeD: Like a recording? RobertWB: Deer Park Alpha 1 Beta of Thunderbird, RSSs pod cast. GrahamS: And I've started encouraging higher level students to listen to them DennisOl: How have your students responded, Graham? GrahamS: Thant's right, Bee - it's been a great source of natural language DennisOl: What engaged them? What confused them? BeeD: Í have directed mine to an Idiom a Day and have asked them to make their own stories using the idioms GrahamS: They were intrigued Dennis RobertWB: Steve, again, the technoloyg has not yet caught up with the abilit. LesleyG still wonders about where enclosure comes in in all of this RobertWB: Some RSS aggregators are not set to read podcast RSS GrahamS: I teach some students of Audio Visual Communication, so it was right up their street DennisOl: Wonderful idea, Bee. SteveN also wonders about enclosures... BeeD: but I have not yet shown them how to aggregate them JamesSB: how many of your students walk around with mp3 players... most? some? only one or two? are ipods and the like common fare now? RobertWB: You'll have to look at the software and see, most of them will tell you up front. DennisOl: I heard some from China. Students were telling "their stories." GrahamS: That's right Bob - you have to set the 'podcast' option on the Feedburner RSS feed too BeeD: So...guide us Graham...first you record on Audacity or whatever and transform it into an mp3 file GrahamS: James, most of them come into class " surgically attached" to theri mp3 players nowadays RobertWB: You are right Graham although I understand in the next version that will be automatic. SusanneN: some learners are very good at listening for longer periods, while others would need visual input to hold on their attention as this is one way communication (unless you're engaging ion some feedback or note taking for discussion). How do you find that people stay connected and do not just let their mind wandr BeeD: then...what is the next step? JamesSB: where is that Robert? RobertWB: Also, its just a matter of time, until we have RSS on cell phones. GrahamS: That's right, Bee. Although, I'd like to record students and then edit it in Audacity later JamesSB: whoops I meant Graham BeeD: what do you do after you have recorded the file? SusanneN: ering as it will go" ? SusanneN: oops GrahamS: The next step is to convert the file into an mp3 file BeeD: using the lame file :-) GrahamS: Then I upload it to my site DafneG: with audacity BeeD: right DennisOl: Ah, the business about editing explains something. JamesSB: or on a mac itunes and exporting as an mp3 SusanneN: how do you avoid that people who need visual input are not lost in their mind that is just wandering where it will? BeeD: and then? DennisOl: Some of the podcasts I've heard were obviously spontaneous, some very polished. GrahamS: I use ftp software to do that DennisOl: I think the polished ones must've been highly edited. BeeD: I use dreamweaver..ftp same thing GrahamS: that's it...Dreamweaver RobertWB: The more spontaneous ones can be done by cell phone as well. JamesSB: ok so far so good so now we have a soundfile in a soundfile folder on our server SusanneN: sorry for breaking in between tech talk :-) GrahamS: then I creatre a blog post and point to the file BeeD: ok...how do you get the enclosures GrahamS: I have a 'podcast' icon which I point to also AaronPC listens closely BeeD: right...the podcast icon also sits on your site SusanneN: hm , enclosures, what's that Bee? GrahamS: The enclosures come automatically, created by the RSS feed at Feedburner JamesSB wonders what he means by the podcast icon DennisOl: I suppose you could link the .mp3 files to images—i.e., use the graphic as an image map that links to a sound file. Would that be possible? MariaJ left the room (signed off). BeeD: ok..once you give the address to feeburner it automatically encloses it for you? SteveN: So enclosures are created at the receiving end, not the podcasting end? DafneG . o O ( a link to the file or and icon linked to the file on the blog ) GrahamS: James, it's just an image that most people use to tell people visitng your site that there's a podcast there JamesSB: so the RSS feed at feedburner is the key element LesleyG: I am so going to have to reread all of this when I get the script GrahamS: Enclosures are created automatically by the RSS feed - I don't even have to worry about them RobertWB: Dennis, Linking to images would probably be more simply done by html linking to saved files. SusanneN left the room (signed off). SusanneN joined the room. RitaZ . o O ( me too, Lesley! ) JamesSB thinks he should have been able to guess what an icon was! DennisOl: Yes, that's what I meant. That's why I mentioned the .mp3 files. BeeD: Ok...so for instance...I have an mp3 file already uploaded on my blog...see http://6eme05.blogspot.com LesleyG thinks jamesSB is perhaps an iconoclast GrahamS: That's right James - the RSS feed allows podcatching software such as ipodder to read it as a podcast JamesSB chuckles SusanneN was disconnected and did not find out what that icon was BeeD: and then I just go to feeburner and give them the address of the post? GrahamS: OK Bee, does the site have an RSS feed? RobertWB: The purpose of the RSS file is to notify your aggregator that someone you like has created a new podcast. BeeD: atom BeeD: I would have to include the feeburner code to it, right RobertWB: If you want to play the same MP3 file attached to a picture each time, then you probably dont need to podcast it. GrahamS: I set up an account with feedburner and created a feed for each of my podcast blogs DennisOl: Bob: Yes. Makes sense. GrahamS: Then in feedburner, there's an option you can click if you want to add enclosures to your feed (and make it podcast friendly) CarolineLC left the room. RobertWB: And keep in mind too, that the "cast" part of "podcasting" is a minsnomer. Nothing is actually broadcast as in streaming. SteveN: Can you have 'groupo BeeD: and it will automatically enclose everything it reads as an mp3 RobertWB: A file is moved, but it is not the same as streaming media... SteveN fingers slipped... GrahamS: look at the feed for the Barcelona YL podcast: http://feeds.feedburner.com/BarcelonaYoungLearnerEFLpodcasts SteveN: Can you have a 'group' blog where everybody shares podcasts? Like a 'team' blog in blogger.com? JamesSB decides to stop drinking the vodka so he can concentrate better GrahamS: Absolutely Steve ScottLo joined the room. DennisOl passes around Turkish coffee BeeD: I would like to know what is the difference between the normal mp3 file I have on this blog and an RSSed mp3? I can download both to my hard disk or burn them on a disk...so the difference would be only the warning there is something new RobertWB: You could steve, but you could just as easily use P2P technology in any of the IM softwares. GrahamS: We could podcast from our weblogging community blog if it was set up with an RSS feed that produced enclosures GrahamS: The other thing I did was to publicise the podcast ScottLo: hi all, good morning from Tokyo JamesSB takes a sip of the delicious coffee and savours the taste CarolineLC joined the room. RobertWB: BeeD, the RSS, just notifies you that a new podcast has been posted. AaronPC waves to Scott and Caroline GrahamS: At englishcaster (http://www.englishcaster.com) and at http://www.ipodder.org BeeD: Thanks Dennis...hmmm this Turkish coffee is just delicious SusanneN: I found a newsletter that says, "iTunes 4.9 will add support for podcasts. With one click you'll be able to subscribe to different feeds and have them automatically delivered to your iPod without using a third-party app like iPodder." DennisOl smiles SteveN catches a whiff of coffee aroma and takes a minute to make an espresso... GrahamS: Thats' right Susanne - iTunes will now support podcasts, so you don't need to use iPodder AnneF joined the room. JamesSB waves hi to Scott BeeD welcome Scott and Anne AnneF: Hi al SusanneN: sounds likt the podcast will become an established format to share content GrahamS: That's all there is to it really JamesSB wonders when 4.9 is being released or if it's already out JamesSB: will the itunes on windows also support podcasting do you think? RobertWB: The ground is just barely been broken Sus, we still have Vid casting and broadcasting still to come. GrahamS: I think there's a lot of potential, especially for autonomous learning for students BeeD: What would be nice is to share how to use it with our stds...the different uses we can make and the content to post SteveN: What about poor sods who only have a dial-up connection...is this world of podcasting beyond their reach? GrahamS: And Aaron asked an interesting audio question - What about content EFL/ESL teaching... AaronPC nods GrahamS: ... I think podcasting is perfect for that RobertWB: Steve we were discussing this earlier....I have been looking into something called local area broadcasting. JamesSB: i've been having students do audio interviews in Paris... (with English speakers) for the last several years... this will let me post them more easily for everyone to share (in my group but also elsewhere) EmilyW joined the room. SteveN listens closely, having missed the earlier discussion GrahamS: Although, we're just experimenting with podcasting now, learning how best to do it RobertWB: Its not really broadcasting. its more like playing a tape of a broadcast at some central community location where a number of like minded individuals would hear it. RobertWB: Like a school, or a nursing home or a work place. GrahamS: Steve, I think it's difficult for dial-up users to really take advantage of podcasting LesleyG: graham, you say it is enormously chronophage (winks), but do you see it becoming any easier in the future, time wise? BeeD is interested in James' audio interviews SteveN nods at RobertWB for the info, and might get back to him later... :) GrahamS: I think so Lesley - it also gets easier the more you do it GrahamS: Today was the first time I'd made a 40 minute podcast BeeD: 40 minutes Graham? BeeD: wow GrahamS: I recorded a 2 minute podcast for the TEFL podcasters forum and uploaded it - all in no time LesleyG: 40 minutes. It'd take a long commute to listen to that one ScottLo: Graham recently posted a link to a high school in Shanghai China who's students are podcasting /project http://podcast.fdfz.cn/ RobertWB: Id be glad to help Steve, elderbob@elderbob.com SteveN thanks RobertWB for the kind offer. ScottLo: This is a brilliant example of what can be done. GrahamS: That's right, Bee - I wanted to play around with everything - I scripted some stuff, then did some unscripted stuff, added music, inserted audio comments from people...I wanted to give myself a challenge :) SteveN: So, can you weave a podcast into something like a WebQuest? BeeD . o O ( I wonder whether the authorities in China will clamp down on this as well ) BeeD: great JamesSB whispers to BeeD.... in groups of twos or threes they have to find 'non-French speakers, preferable English speakers and do a 5 minute interview using (originally cassette recorders, now digital recorders that they then share with the class... they find bartenders in british pubs, journalists at the newspapers, exchange students and the such to interview DennisOl: I wonder the same thing, Bee. ScottLo: This particular one is very compelling http://podcast.fdfz.cn/mp3/20070927.mp3 RobertWB: I noticed that China is asking for bloggers to register now. GrahamS: Is there anyone else in the audience who has been podcasting? ScottLo: I've been podcasting since October GrahamS: Scott? BeeD: I have...but without enclosures AnneF left the room (signed off). RobertWB: But we also have schools here that are outlawing blogging from school. AnneF joined the room. AnneF left the room (signed off). SteveN: Robert....why? GrahamS: Scott, why don't you tell us about your comprehnsible input podcast? AnneF joined the room. LesleyG: Sorry, got to go and wrap up some birthday presents for my little girl (3 tomorrow). Could someone send me the rest of the tapescript, please since i'm going to miss the end. BeeD: so it is not a real podcast, is it? ScottLo: http://tokyocalling.org and http://ci.iplusone.org BeeD hugs Lesley RobertWB: Same here, BeeD, www.elderbobonthetrail.blogspot.com has audio interviews but at the time postcasting and RSS were pretty new. JamesSB wishes Lesley's daughter happy birthday LesleyG left the room (signed off). GrahamS: I've been inspired by Scott's podcasts - it's great to 'meet' you, Scott ScottLo: comprehensible input is set up more for teachers of ESL than for students ScottLo: i hoped it to be a sort of round table discussion GrahamS: It seems to be turning into that - with audio comments, etc ScottLo: through doing it, I've gotten to "meet" some great folks who have much to say about podcasting GrahamS: Scott, you have also radio experience too, don't you? RobertWB: I have to leave too, I want to invite you all to join me at www.knowplace.ca on July 1,2 and 3 to discuss Visual Language, Folsonomy, Podcasting and Internet Broadcasting....there will be a ton of resources to peruse and great discussion. SteveN: Can you set up podcasting within a LAN? Like a university LAN? So it's easy for teachers and students in courses at the University to podcast together? GrahamS: Thanks for coming Bob SteveN waves goodbye to RobertWB JamesSB wonders what Folsonomy is... RobertWB: Thanks for the great presentation Graham, I will be reviewing it again...join us more. GrahamS: Steve, there is a university that podcasts to its students, but I forget the name JamesSB waves goodbye DanielC left the room (signed off). Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. GrahamS: I'll try Bob DanielC left the room (signed off). Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. RobertWB: 'Bye all, BeeD, thanks for another awesome session. RobertWB: Bye. LeeB joined the room. AaronPC: See ya Bob ScottLo: lectures could be recorded and podcast as well SusanneN: I'll blog this in our group blog BeeD: See you Bob and thanks for being with us here tonight RobertWB left the room (signed off). SteveN: Scott..that's a brilliant idea... GrahamS: The university uses it as a way of 'broadcasting' to ex-students too ScottLo: In Bristol UK, there is an IT department who podcasts about how to use BlackBoard for the faculty plus they share it with the whole wide net GrahamS: Really, that's great BeeD: Have your students podcasted as well Scott? GrahamS: Scott, can you give us any tips about the dos and don'ts of podcasting, especially as you have so much experience SteveN: Do these podcasts remain on the internet forever, or are they only available for a limited time? BeeD: as long as you keep them on your server ScottLo: The engineernig department at McMaster n Canada is using podcasts to recruit new students http://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/prospective/2005/radio/index.html GrahamS: Good question Steve - there's something to say about making them available for a limited time, if they are likely to go out of date SusanneN: an interesting usage Scott ScottLo: As long as they are kept on the server, SteveN SteveN: I suppose you would archive them on your own computer/CD and have them available if anyone requests. DennisOl: Yes, Bee. This has been incredible. GrahamS: That's a good idea Steve SusanneN: I can imagine churches setting up their religious podcasts too ;-) DennisOl: I must admit I've been lost much of the time, but after I go back and read the transcript, hopefully much of this will be clearer. JamesSB: scott this link works... yours didn't... http://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/prospective/2005/radio/ BeeD: Make a CD of all your podcasts for posterity GrahamS: There are some religious podcasts - the Catholic Insider is one BeeD: like a phot album for your grandchilden ScottLo: I heard the IncSub will be offering free hosting to teachers and researchers - wonder if they had podcasting in mind ScottLo: thx JamesSB - sorry about bad linkage BeeD: and here is when granny podcasted for the first time :-) GrahamS: Now that's interesting SteveN: I'm from a country that doesn't observe any copyright laws, but being Canadian, I'm always mindful of the issue of intellectual property rights. GrahamS smiles JamesSB: what is IncSub? an ISP? AaronPC: granny podcasting....lol BeeD: was my voice different 20 years ago? SteveN: When you create a podcast, is this copyrighted? SusanneN: Incorporate subversion, also called IncSub, GrahamS: The music I used btw is all from either the Internet Archive or http://www.garageband.com and available for public use on a creative commons licence AaronPC: It's an organization out of Australia that promotes the use of blogs, wikis, rss, and open source in education and business. SusanneN: 'it is... it is an Open Source developer site offerting wiki and blogs BeeD: http://www.incsub.org/ GrahamS: I'll post more details about what I used in the blog tomorrow JamesSB is happy he asked... BeeD: Thanks Graham SusanneN: Thank you Graham that would be great SteveN: Graham...interesting...I didn't know about this. Thanks! SusanneN: I'm in learning mode tonight BeeD: Isn't it wonderful? LeeB: Very wonderful. What a greeeaat group. GrahamS: Steve, you can decide on the license, but most podcasts are licensed under a Creative Commons license AaronPC: The possiblities are amazing. SusanneN: yes, Granny appreciates these learning moments , day & night BeeD: I have lately become a photographer...and now am about to start a career in podcasting SteveN: Where are the terms of the Creative Commons license published? DafneG: good to have new things to learn :-) BeeD: http://www.creativecommons.org SteveN nods appreciatively to BeeD SusanneN: 'I love those photo pools in Flickr, Bee GrahamS: I have, like Aaron, an elective credit that's a content-based course - mine is Theme Tourism, and I'm preparing podcasts for the students for October DaveGst3: Outstanding presentation, Graham. Good night, ya'll! AaronPC: I'd like to listen to one of those Graham ScottLo: ciao DaveGst3 GrahamS: Good night Dave - glad you liked it BeeD: See you Dave..thanks for coming DennisOl: Thanks, Graham. I've got a lot of reading to do! DaveGst3 left the room (signed off). SteveN listens closely to Graham as he also teaches in a Tourism school... RitaZ: thank you all, this is food for thought GrahamS: Goodnight Dennis - look forward to your first podcast LeeB: Thanks Graham. I will put all the links on deli.cio.us/webheads tomorrow! DafneG: thanks Graham you have given me homework ;-) Maggi: thank you Graham PeterTr: I'll second that. SusanneN: Torism, you could ask podcasters all over the wrold to send sound bites with something from their palces or from their travels AaronPC: I gotta run myself.....thanks so much Graham. BeeD: Lee is the webhead archiviste AaronPC: I have so much to think about on the train to work! BeeD: Havfe a great day SteveN: Thanks Graham! SusanneN: great Lee, I love your webheads tag page very helpful AaronPC: See you next week. GrahamS: The course is a 7 session course and I've been looking for a way to provide extra input that's not text-based. Podcasting is perfect for this LeeB: Thanks for the intro.Bee ..:) ScottLo: where is this webheads tag page? GrahamS: See you Aaron SusanneN: ooh, midnight and full moon here, now! DanielC: Thanks Graham and all, I've learned a lot lurking here. BeeD: Thanks Graham for sharing all this with us AaronPC left the room (signed off). PeterTr: Very inspiring. Thanks very much Graham for an excellent podcast and session. Bye now. SteveN: Graham...what level are you teaching? PeterTr left the room (signed off). LeeB: http://deli.cio.us/webheads GrahamS: Bye Daniel ScottLo: thx lee SusanneN: I think it was, www.del.icio.us/webheads
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DanielC contributed 22 messages, 12 private messages during 73 minutes. 2005.06.19 13:58:40 Login Room: DC_office DanielC joined the room. DanielC left the room. Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. GrahamS: http://blog-efl.blogspot.com/ - see if it loads any faster SteveN looks at Dave...who is Adrianne? BeeD welcomes Daniel GrahamS: Hi DAniel RobertWB: I reloaded and that was much faster, but it may be reading it from my cache. DaveGst3: Somebody just asked if I was one of Adrianne's students. DanielC: Hi to you too GrahamS and everyone else RobertWB: Hi Daniel. RitaZ joined the room. GrahamS: Hi Rita RobertWB: Rita!!!!!! BeeD hugs Rita warmly RitaZ: hi, Graham and all AaronPC: Hi Rita, Daniel, Sus! GrahamS: Thanks for your audio question - it's in the podcast RitaZ hugs all dear friends RobertWB: Sus, you snuck in, I didnt seeyou. RitaZ: my pleasure, Graham BeeD: Well...so let's start BJB2 joined the room. GrahamS: Sorry I didn't manage to finish the podcast before this session SusanneN hugs bob, Bee, rita BJ and everyone who wish to get hugged GrahamS: it's now a post-session podcast BeeD: To make a larger area for viewing the discussion click on "detach" under the "actions" pull down menu just above and to the right of the text display area. From there, you can detach and also choose a larger font. RobertWB: Just tell them it is in Part 2, Graham. BeeD: I think it is time to start GrahamS: ok BeeD: Welcome to the third Blogstreams Salon Special Session on the topic: Introducing podcasting in EFL/ESL BeeD: We are very pleased to receive Barcelona-based EFL teacher and expert weblogger and podcaster ,Graham Stanley BeeD: But before we start, would you please introduce yourselves for the record? JamesSB joined the room. GrahamS: I'm not sure anout the expert bit, but thankyou JamesSB: hello everyone BeeD: welcomes James...we have just started JamesSB: sorry i'm late BeeD: *** Please type a brief introduction now *** EmilyW: I am Emily, a recent college graduate and web designer AaronPC: My name is Aaron Campbell and I teach EFL at Kyoto Sangyo University. PeterTr: Hi. My name's Peter Travis and I'm working with the Flo-joe team. RobertWB: Elderbob - Texas USA - Mad scientist. BeeD: Barbara Dieu is an EFL teacher at the Franco-Brazilian school in Sao Paulo, Brazil JamesSB: james in paris... teaching in two graduate level engineering schools... using blogs for 2 years LesleyG: I'm an EFL teacher in Bordeaux France. I'm a podcast virgin. BeeD: lol GrahamS smiles SusanneN: Sus Nyrop, Demnark, a webhead and a blogger, and online learning consultant SteveN: Hi, I'm Steve from North Cyprus, and I work at the Eastern Mediterranean University. SusanneN: I'm now listening to your pleasant voice in the podcast, take care that the music does not make too much noise, Graham DanielC: My name is Dan Craig. I'm a phd student/instructor in a language education program at Indiana University. I'm relatively new to blogging and podcasting, but very interested. GrahamS: Thanks Susanne EmilyW: I graduated from Indiana DanielC: IU in the house :) RitaZ: EFL teacher in Argentina, CALL SIG conductor in my place, webhead, prepares stds to sit for Cambridge EFL and CAE BeeD: Just one thing before you start Graham...The archive for this session will be available here in this room, with links from both the Community Blog and the Blogstreams Salon Group and it will also be filed in the Weblogging Yahoo Group GrahamS: Are we all done? BeeD bows to Graham and sits down GrahamS: So, hello everyone and thankyou for coming SusanneN left the room (signed off). SusanneN joined the room. GrahamS: I'm no expert in podcasting, but I am an enthusiast GrahamS: For those who don'0t know, the word 'podcasting' is a combination of ipod & broadcasting… BeeD: Well...this is already 75 percent of everything JamesSB grins GrahamS: although you don't need an ipod to do it… GrahamS: …as any mp3 player will suffice GrahamS: you can also listen to podcasts on your computer… GrahamS: ..but for me it's the idea of mobile learning that is exciting SusanneN: sjut what i'm doing now AaronPC nods GrahamS: A podcast is an audio file that is produced and uploaded to a server, but what makes it a podcast is... JamesSB listens in suspense JamesSB holding his breath GrahamS: when the blog/website that the file is uploaded to publishes an RSS feed that includes a feature called 'enclosures' GrahamS: The 'enclosures' feature of the RSS feed enables special software (called 'podcatching' or... GrahamS: 'ipodder' software (such as from http://www.ipodder.org) to read it. BeeD . o O ( a capturing device ) GrahamS: When you subscribe to the RSS feeds of podcasts, this software automatically downloads the... GrahamS: ...podcasts to your mp3 player or computer GrahamS: This means you can then take your mp3 player and listen to them on the way to work, etc. SusanneN: but I don't yet have iPodder installed, and I am listening? JamesSB thinks like rss newsfeeds DafneG joined the room. EmilyW left the room. JamesSB: wonders what susanne is listening to.... GrahamS: Yes, Susanne - you don't need to use ipodder SusanneN hugs Dafne BeeD: Welcome Daf...we have just startged RitaZ hugs Daf GrahamS: but it makes it easier DafneG hugs Sus and all JamesSB waves to dafne GrahamS: I plug in my mp3 player at night, and unplug it in the morning with lots of new podcasts in it SusanneN: could you explain to me why so it would be easier when having iPodder installed? GrahamS: because ipodder gets the content you subscribe to automatically BeeD: It captures the pods for you GrahamS: and you don't need to visit the websites MariaJ joined the room. GrahamS: exactly Bee MariaJ: Hi SteveN: Can't it save them on the hard disk of your computer? BeeD: like bloglines does for the rss feeds RobertWB: I podder has two elements....it acts as an aggregator to download your feed, and as a player to hear the podcast. GrahamS: Yes, it'll save them to any location you want to...including an mp3 player SusanneN: I think I almost begin to understand, but not perfectly clear though RobertWB: You can even burn them to a disc CD or DVD. DennisOl joined the room. GrahamS: There are also other 'podcatchers' (as they are called) BeeD waves to Dennis RitaZ: meaningful name... DafneG listens attentively GrahamS: And you can now also use iTunes I believe JamesSB: they're audio files that you can subscribe to and that get updated automatically DennisOl waves back to Bee GrahamS: that's it James DafneG: hola Dennis JamesSB: i haven't yet seen the feature in itunes and i've been looking SusanneN: for newcomers, here's the url with Graham's podcast http://www.grahamstanley.com/pod-efl/blog-efl-01-06192005.mp3 SteveN: The BBC does this now, doesn't it? GrahamS: It works best when the audio content is updated regularly...like a radio show JamesSB: thank you susanneN GrahamS: Yes, Steve - the BBC has started making some programmes available SusanneN: James, I'm on a mac and I suppose that I'm listning now using iTunes GrahamS: And for EFL learners and teachers , there's a new directory: Englsih Caster SteveN: What about copyright...presumably I could have a BBC documentary on my disk...can I rebroadcast this? JamesSB: yes you can listen to mp3 files... but there will be soon a way to subscribing to podcasts soon i hope GrahamS: http://www.englishcaster.com GrahamS: The BBC licence is for 1 week only GrahamS: it's a trial RobertWB: Steve, the answer to your question lies in how the material was licensed... DaveGst3 left the room (signed off). DafneG: I downloaded Bethoven's symphonies last week SteveN: A case by case basis... GrahamS: they started with one programme and it was such a success they've extended it BeeD: For those who need technical explanation on how to make a podcast go to http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_movies RobertWB: Some follks license all their podcast under a open source commons license. RitaZ: no risk of viruses...? DaveGst1 joined the room. RobertWB: You can use it repeatedly, but you cant alter it. GrahamS: To get back to EFL/ESL podcasting... SteveN: Like GNU RobertWB: Right Steve. BeeD listens attentively to Graham JamesSB listens too GrahamS: a site to keep an eye on is Comprehensible Input - a site for teachers is Comprehensible Input RobertWB: Elderbob follows BeeDs example. GrahamS: oops DennisOl waves and sends abrazos to Daf DafneG -) GrahamS: run by Scott Lockmann, with its own podcast: (http://ci.iplusone.org) SusanneN: how does one know what each podcast is about? I would not have much time and patience to listen to longer casts if I have no idea about what that is - a text I can skim or scan, but what about the podcast? DanielC left the room (signed off). Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. GrahamS: The podcast is normally linked to a blog JamesSB: that's where we can help each other to find interesting material GrahamS: And the etiquette is for the podcaster to provide 'show notes' DennisOl: I've seen some examples in which there's a short summary—an abstract, actually—of each podcast. GrahamS: so you have an idea if the podcast is interesting to you JamesSB: those are in the tags in the mp3 file right? LesleyG: is comprehensible input about teaching or material for using with students? SusanneN: aha, show notes, sounds reasonable. But if you're using the mp3 palyer only you don't have text notes? GrahamS: No, I don't think so BeeD: So you go to blogs which you know have focused content...like Graham's EFL Young Learners for instance GrahamS: no, Susanne RobertWB: You could also use other tagging devices like del.icio.us. JamesSB: i think you can look at the tags in the mp3 file and if it's well done you have information and at least an url to go to a website SteveN is getting hungry now GrahamS: There's talk of trying to do more to provide info to go with the podcasts GrahamS: but for now, it's not really adequate JamesSB opens his fridge and takes out some sandwiches ... passes them around BeeD: an Idiom a Day provides stds with a transcript GrahamS: Thanks James DennisOl: So far, I've heard two kinds of examples. One was very polished and rehearsed—a presentation, really. The other was more spontaneous. JamesSB gets a bottle of wine and glasses SteveN grab a sandwich from James BeeD: wow BeeD: what a refined picnic JamesSB: making good podcasts is really a lot of work though isn't it? GrahamS: Yes, the Daily Idiom site http://englishcaster.com/blogs/ has additional notes SusanneN: This is fun, i'm listening to Graham's podcast and now he's talking abolut RSS and iPodder DaveGst1 left the room (signed off). DafneG: I was going to ask that, James LesleyG tries to listen, drink and eat at the same time RobertWB: The problem has more to do with the software to make the transcription than it does the desire to have a transcription., JamesSB: how long did you work on tonight's podcast material Graham? GrahamS: yes, James - it takes a lot of time DennisOl passes around a tray of blini with caviar and sour cream GrahamS: It took me many hours Maggi joined the room. SteveN droolsss BeeD: Dennis, Dennis...you shouldn't have GrahamS: But that's because I inserted audio comments and music DafneG: hmmm, yummy, yummy GrahamS: You don't have to do that JamesSB: i see it as a great project to give my students to do... after listening to some interesting examples! DennisOl: ;') GrahamS: You can just turn on the mic and speak with notes RobertWB: Graham, do you see your self getting faster at it over time. BeeD: Yes...the kids would love to produce a sketch for instance JamesSB looks to see if Dennis has cold vodka too... SteveN: So, a naive technical question...where do the MP3s actually live? DafneG: if you are interested in specific content, I guess it would be better to create your own GrahamS: I like the idea of doing something similar to sushi radio RitaZ loves the wine and caviar, and thanks Dennis DaveGst3 joined the room. AaronPC: Good question Steve DennisOl passes around gelid Zubrovka and chilled pony glasses SusanneN: good question steve LesleyG: sushi radio? GrahamS: (http://www.sushiradio.com) - short (5-6 mins) podcasts JamesSB: your sound quality is really good Graham... were you using an external mike? SusanneN: ':smiles to Aaron GrahamS: they are mostly about travel or culture BeeD . o O ( I just love Zubrowka ) GrahamS: I was using Audacity (the free sound editing software) and a headset and mic DennisOl smiles JamesSB takes a sip of the Zubrowka... yummy DennisOl: Audacity works quite well, doesn' it? DennisOl: I've been using it for about a year. BeeD: but do not forget the lame file JamesSB: a headset with DSP (usb) or simpler GrahamS: Audacity has really impressed me this week BeeD: to convert it to mp3 DafneG: lame file? DafneG: I see GrahamS: It's easy to insert and to edit sound files, add music, etc GrahamS: and convert to mp3 JamesSB: easier said than done well BeeD: Now...what I would like to know is whether you have tried to record a conversation, an interview with someone online JamesSB: yours sounds great but i had to stop listening since it was hard to chat and listen at the same time GrahamS: I haven't, but I know people who have used Skype to do this SteveN: I've used CoolEdit Pro for audio work before....it was quite good. Nice interface. However, if I want to 'podcast' where do I cast my pods? JamesSB: it's tricky to get both ends of a conversation to record GrahamS: Thast's a good question Steve BeeD: I have not managed to do it GrahamS: You need webspace to upload your files to JamesSB: on the mac i have conference recorder that records even the video of an iChat audio or video chat SteveN: Any web server will do? GrahamS: And then make them available via an RSS feed DennisOl: Tell me more about conference recorder, James. BeeD: hmmm ...you mackers can do everything apparently :-) SusanneN: I've not heard about Conference rec order before, is that in os x 10.4? GrahamS: I believe so, but if you're going to have a lot of people download them, then bandwith is an issue DennisOl pour Bee a shot of pepper Wyborowa JamesSB: ecamm.com about 15 dollars and they do give an educational discount... but it's only for macs os10.3 and above SteveN: I notice that you use BLOGGER.COM -- do they provide webspace for my podcasts? BeeD: No SteveN sniffs the Wyborowa and then puts it down.... DafneG left the room (signed off). SusanneN: thank you James GrahamS: No, Steve - I have a website and have so far used this BeeD: you have to upload them to your own server BeeD: provider RobertWB: I have my audios on audioblog but put links on blogger. SteveN: Does every server support RSS? GrahamS: but there are spaces such as http://www.ourmedia.org which will host audio files for free AaronPC: What about Ourmedia? AaronPC smiles DennisOl: Thanks, James. SteveN scratches his head...for free??? must be a catch somewhere... RobertWB: I usggest that if you use ourmedia, you backup your audios on disc in case, ourmedia goes belly up. DafneG joined the room. BeeD: internet archives does it as well I think GrahamS: You can set up an RSS feed that is podcast friendly easily by using http://www.feedburner.com GrahamS: That's right Bee CarolineLC joined the room. BeeD: http://www.archive.org BeeD welcomes Caroline RobertWB: The newest Beta of firefox also will RSS feed podcast. GrahamS: I must admit, I've never tried Ourmedia - I think you have to agree to a special sort of copyright licence BeeD: You need the Creative Commons Licence RobertWB: Thats the Deer Park Alpha 1 beta of firefox. JamesSB: Robert do you mean the Sage plugin for firefox? BeeD: http://creativecommons.org/ SteveN: So, you record an MP3, save it on your computer and then upload it to a server. Then you have to make this available via an RSS feed. And you do this via your blog? GrahamS: That's right Steve BeeD: Graham...have you used podcasts with your students? RobertWB: Im sorry, not firefox, Thunderbird, the email program. LesleyG: But what about the enclosure? SteveN: Any blog server will support this? GrahamS: Bee, I've brought podcasts into class and played excerpts of them to my students BeeD: Like a recording? RobertWB: Deer Park Alpha 1 Beta of Thunderbird, RSSs pod cast. GrahamS: And I've started encouraging higher level students to listen to them DennisOl: How have your students responded, Graham? GrahamS: Thant's right, Bee - it's been a great source of natural language DennisOl: What engaged them? What confused them? BeeD: Í have directed mine to an Idiom a Day and have asked them to make their own stories using the idioms GrahamS: They were intrigued Dennis RobertWB: Steve, again, the technoloyg has not yet caught up with the abilit. LesleyG still wonders about where enclosure comes in in all of this RobertWB: Some RSS aggregators are not set to read podcast RSS GrahamS: I teach some students of Audio Visual Communication, so it was right up their street DennisOl: Wonderful idea, Bee. SteveN also wonders about enclosures... BeeD: but I have not yet shown them how to aggregate them JamesSB: how many of your students walk around with mp3 players... most? some? only one or two? are ipods and the like common fare now? RobertWB: You'll have to look at the software and see, most of them will tell you up front. DennisOl: I heard some from China. Students were telling "their stories." GrahamS: That's right Bob - you have to set the 'podcast' option on the Feedburner RSS feed too BeeD: So...guide us Graham...first you record on Audacity or whatever and transform it into an mp3 file GrahamS: James, most of them come into class " surgically attached" to theri mp3 players nowadays RobertWB: You are right Graham although I understand in the next version that will be automatic. SusanneN: some learners are very good at listening for longer periods, while others would need visual input to hold on their attention as this is one way communication (unless you're engaging ion some feedback or note taking for discussion). How do you find that people stay connected and do not just let their mind wandr BeeD: then...what is the next step? JamesSB: where is that Robert? RobertWB: Also, its just a matter of time, until we have RSS on cell phones. GrahamS: That's right, Bee. Although, I'd like to record students and then edit it in Audacity later JamesSB: whoops I meant Graham BeeD: what do you do after you have recorded the file? SusanneN: ering as it will go" ? SusanneN: oops GrahamS: The next step is to convert the file into an mp3 file BeeD: using the lame file :-) GrahamS: Then I upload it to my site DafneG: with audacity BeeD: right DennisOl: Ah, the business about editing explains something. JamesSB: or on a mac itunes and exporting as an mp3 SusanneN: how do you avoid that people who need visual input are not lost in their mind that is just wandering where it will? BeeD: and then? DennisOl: Some of the podcasts I've heard were obviously spontaneous, some very polished. GrahamS: I use ftp software to do that DennisOl: I think the polished ones must've been highly edited. BeeD: I use dreamweaver..ftp same thing GrahamS: that's it...Dreamweaver RobertWB: The more spontaneous ones can be done by cell phone as well. JamesSB: ok so far so good so now we have a soundfile in a soundfile folder on our server SusanneN: sorry for breaking in between tech talk :-) GrahamS: then I creatre a blog post and point to the file BeeD: ok...how do you get the enclosures GrahamS: I have a 'podcast' icon which I point to also AaronPC listens closely BeeD: right...the podcast icon also sits on your site SusanneN: hm , enclosures, what's that Bee? GrahamS: The enclosures come automatically, created by the RSS feed at Feedburner JamesSB wonders what he means by the podcast icon DennisOl: I suppose you could link the .mp3 files to images—i.e., use the graphic as an image map that links to a sound file. Would that be possible? MariaJ left the room (signed off). BeeD: ok..once you give the address to feeburner it automatically encloses it for you? SteveN: So enclosures are created at the receiving end, not the podcasting end? DafneG . o O ( a link to the file or and icon linked to the file on the blog ) GrahamS: James, it's just an image that most people use to tell people visitng your site that there's a podcast there JamesSB: so the RSS feed at feedburner is the key element LesleyG: I am so going to have to reread all of this when I get the script GrahamS: Enclosures are created automatically by the RSS feed - I don't even have to worry about them RobertWB: Dennis, Linking to images would probably be more simply done by html linking to saved files. SusanneN left the room (signed off). SusanneN joined the room. RitaZ . o O ( me too, Lesley! ) JamesSB thinks he should have been able to guess what an icon was! DennisOl: Yes, that's what I meant. That's why I mentioned the .mp3 files. BeeD: Ok...so for instance...I have an mp3 file already uploaded on my blog...see http://6eme05.blogspot.com LesleyG thinks jamesSB is perhaps an iconoclast GrahamS: That's right James - the RSS feed allows podcatching software such as ipodder to read it as a podcast JamesSB chuckles SusanneN was disconnected and did not find out what that icon was BeeD: and then I just go to feeburner and give them the address of the post? GrahamS: OK Bee, does the site have an RSS feed? RobertWB: The purpose of the RSS file is to notify your aggregator that someone you like has created a new podcast. BeeD: atom BeeD: I would have to include the feeburner code to it, right RobertWB: If you want to play the same MP3 file attached to a picture each time, then you probably dont need to podcast it. GrahamS: I set up an account with feedburner and created a feed for each of my podcast blogs DennisOl: Bob: Yes. Makes sense. GrahamS: Then in feedburner, there's an option you can click if you want to add enclosures to your feed (and make it podcast friendly) CarolineLC left the room. RobertWB: And keep in mind too, that the "cast" part of "podcasting" is a minsnomer. Nothing is actually broadcast as in streaming. SteveN: Can you have 'groupo BeeD: and it will automatically enclose everything it reads as an mp3 RobertWB: A file is moved, but it is not the same as streaming media... SteveN fingers slipped... GrahamS: look at the feed for the Barcelona YL podcast: http://feeds.feedburner.com/BarcelonaYoungLearnerEFLpodcasts SteveN: Can you have a 'group' blog where everybody shares podcasts? Like a 'team' blog in blogger.com? JamesSB decides to stop drinking the vodka so he can concentrate better GrahamS: Absolutely Steve ScottLo joined the room. DennisOl passes around Turkish coffee BeeD: I would like to know what is the difference between the normal mp3 file I have on this blog and an RSSed mp3? I can download both to my hard disk or burn them on a disk...so the difference would be only the warning there is something new RobertWB: You could steve, but you could just as easily use P2P technology in any of the IM softwares. GrahamS: We could podcast from our weblogging community blog if it was set up with an RSS feed that produced enclosures GrahamS: The other thing I did was to publicise the podcast ScottLo: hi all, good morning from Tokyo JamesSB takes a sip of the delicious coffee and savours the taste CarolineLC joined the room. RobertWB: BeeD, the RSS, just notifies you that a new podcast has been posted. AaronPC waves to Scott and Caroline GrahamS: At englishcaster (http://www.englishcaster.com) and at http://www.ipodder.org BeeD: Thanks Dennis...hmmm this Turkish coffee is just delicious SusanneN: I found a newsletter that says, "iTunes 4.9 will add support for podcasts. With one click you'll be able to subscribe to different feeds and have them automatically delivered to your iPod without using a third-party app like iPodder." DennisOl smiles SteveN catches a whiff of coffee aroma and takes a minute to make an espresso... GrahamS: Thats' right Susanne - iTunes will now support podcasts, so you don't need to use iPodder AnneF joined the room. JamesSB waves hi to Scott BeeD welcome Scott and Anne AnneF: Hi al SusanneN: sounds likt the podcast will become an established format to share content GrahamS: That's all there is to it really JamesSB wonders when 4.9 is being released or if it's already out JamesSB: will the itunes on windows also support podcasting do you think? RobertWB: The ground is just barely been broken Sus, we still have Vid casting and broadcasting still to come. GrahamS: I think there's a lot of potential, especially for autonomous learning for students BeeD: What would be nice is to share how to use it with our stds...the different uses we can make and the content to post SteveN: What about poor sods who only have a dial-up connection...is this world of podcasting beyond their reach? GrahamS: And Aaron asked an interesting audio question - What about content EFL/ESL teaching... AaronPC nods GrahamS: ... I think podcasting is perfect for that RobertWB: Steve we were discussing this earlier....I have been looking into something called local area broadcasting. JamesSB: i've been having students do audio interviews in Paris... (with English speakers) for the last several years... this will let me post them more easily for everyone to share (in my group but also elsewhere) EmilyW joined the room. SteveN listens closely, having missed the earlier discussion GrahamS: Although, we're just experimenting with podcasting now, learning how best to do it RobertWB: Its not really broadcasting. its more like playing a tape of a broadcast at some central community location where a number of like minded individuals would hear it. RobertWB: Like a school, or a nursing home or a work place. GrahamS: Steve, I think it's difficult for dial-up users to really take advantage of podcasting LesleyG: graham, you say it is enormously chronophage (winks), but do you see it becoming any easier in the future, time wise? BeeD is interested in James' audio interviews SteveN nods at RobertWB for the info, and might get back to him later... :) GrahamS: I think so Lesley - it also gets easier the more you do it GrahamS: Today was the first time I'd made a 40 minute podcast BeeD: 40 minutes Graham? BeeD: wow GrahamS: I recorded a 2 minute podcast for the TEFL podcasters forum and uploaded it - all in no time LesleyG: 40 minutes. It'd take a long commute to listen to that one ScottLo: Graham recently posted a link to a high school in Shanghai China who's students are podcasting /project http://podcast.fdfz.cn/ RobertWB: Id be glad to help Steve, elderbob@elderbob.com SteveN thanks RobertWB for the kind offer. ScottLo: This is a brilliant example of what can be done. GrahamS: That's right, Bee - I wanted to play around with everything - I scripted some stuff, then did some unscripted stuff, added music, inserted audio comments from people...I wanted to give myself a challenge :) SteveN: So, can you weave a podcast into something like a WebQuest? BeeD . o O ( I wonder whether the authorities in China will clamp down on this as well ) BeeD: great JamesSB whispers to BeeD.... in groups of twos or threes they have to find 'non-French speakers, preferable English speakers and do a 5 minute interview using (originally cassette recorders, now digital recorders that they then share with the class... they find bartenders in british pubs, journalists at the newspapers, exchange students and the such to interview DennisOl: I wonder the same thing, Bee. ScottLo: This particular one is very compelling http://podcast.fdfz.cn/mp3/20070927.mp3 RobertWB: I noticed that China is asking for bloggers to register now. GrahamS: Is there anyone else in the audience who has been podcasting? ScottLo: I've been podcasting since October GrahamS: Scott? BeeD: I have...but without enclosures AnneF left the room (signed off). RobertWB: But we also have schools here that are outlawing blogging from school. AnneF joined the room. AnneF left the room (signed off). SteveN: Robert....why? GrahamS: Scott, why don't you tell us about your comprehnsible input podcast? AnneF joined the room. LesleyG: Sorry, got to go and wrap up some birthday presents for my little girl (3 tomorrow). Could someone send me the rest of the tapescript, please since i'm going to miss the end. BeeD: so it is not a real podcast, is it? ScottLo: http://tokyocalling.org and http://ci.iplusone.org BeeD hugs Lesley RobertWB: Same here, BeeD, www.elderbobonthetrail.blogspot.com has audio interviews but at the time postcasting and RSS were pretty new. JamesSB wishes Lesley's daughter happy birthday LesleyG left the room (signed off). GrahamS: I've been inspired by Scott's podcasts - it's great to 'meet' you, Scott ScottLo: comprehensible input is set up more for teachers of ESL than for students ScottLo: i hoped it to be a sort of round table discussion GrahamS: It seems to be turning into that - with audio comments, etc ScottLo: through doing it, I've gotten to "meet" some great folks who have much to say about podcasting GrahamS: Scott, you have also radio experience too, don't you? RobertWB: I have to leave too, I want to invite you all to join me at www.knowplace.ca on July 1,2 and 3 to discuss Visual Language, Folsonomy, Podcasting and Internet Broadcasting....there will be a ton of resources to peruse and great discussion. SteveN: Can you set up podcasting within a LAN? Like a university LAN? So it's easy for teachers and students in courses at the University to podcast together? GrahamS: Thanks for coming Bob SteveN waves goodbye to RobertWB JamesSB wonders what Folsonomy is... RobertWB: Thanks for the great presentation Graham, I will be reviewing it again...join us more. GrahamS: Steve, there is a university that podcasts to its students, but I forget the name JamesSB waves goodbye DanielC left the room (signed off). Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. GrahamS: I'll try Bob DanielC left the room (signed off). Room: BlogSalon_Grp DanielC joined the room. RobertWB: 'Bye all, BeeD, thanks for another awesome session. RobertWB: Bye. LeeB joined the room. AaronPC: See ya Bob ScottLo: lectures could be recorded and podcast as well SusanneN: I'll blog this in our group blog BeeD: See you Bob and thanks for being with us here tonight RobertWB left the room (signed off). SteveN: Scott..that's a brilliant idea... GrahamS: The university uses it as a way of 'broadcasting' to ex-students too ScottLo: In Bristol UK, there is an IT department who podcasts about how to use BlackBoard for the faculty plus they share it with the whole wide net GrahamS: Really, that's great BeeD: Have your students podcasted as well Scott? GrahamS: Scott, can you give us any tips about the dos and don'ts of podcasting, especially as you have so much experience SteveN: Do these podcasts remain on the internet forever, or are they only available for a limited time? BeeD: as long as you keep them on your server ScottLo: The engineernig department at McMaster n Canada is using podcasts to recruit new students http://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/prospective/2005/radio/index.html GrahamS: Good question Steve - there's something to say about making them available for a limited time, if they are likely to go out of date SusanneN: an interesting usage Scott ScottLo: As long as they are kept on the server, SteveN SteveN: I suppose you would archive them on your own computer/CD and have them available if anyone requests. DennisOl: Yes, Bee. This has been incredible. GrahamS: That's a good idea Steve SusanneN: I can imagine churches setting up their religious podcasts too ;-) DennisOl: I must admit I've been lost much of the time, but after I go back and read the transcript, hopefully much of this will be clearer. JamesSB: scott this link works... yours didn't... http://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/prospective/2005/radio/ BeeD: Make a CD of all your podcasts for posterity GrahamS: There are some religious podcasts - the Catholic Insider is one BeeD: like a phot album for your grandchilden ScottLo: I heard the IncSub will be offering free hosting to teachers and researchers - wonder if they had podcasting in mind ScottLo: thx JamesSB - sorry about bad linkage BeeD: and here is when granny podcasted for the first time :-) GrahamS: Now that's interesting SteveN: I'm from a country that doesn't observe any copyright laws, but being Canadian, I'm always mindful of the issue of intellectual property rights. GrahamS smiles JamesSB: what is IncSub? an ISP? AaronPC: granny podcasting....lol BeeD: was my voice different 20 years ago? SteveN: When you create a podcast, is this copyrighted? SusanneN: Incorporate subversion, also called IncSub, GrahamS: The music I used btw is all from either the Internet Archive or http://www.garageband.com and available for public use on a creative commons licence AaronPC: It's an organization out of Australia that promotes the use of blogs, wikis, rss, and open source in education and business. SusanneN: 'it is... it is an Open Source developer site offerting wiki and blogs BeeD: http://www.incsub.org/ GrahamS: I'll post more details about what I used in the blog tomorrow JamesSB is happy he asked... BeeD: Thanks Graham SusanneN: Thank you Graham that would be great SteveN: Graham...interesting...I didn't know about this. Thanks! SusanneN: I'm in learning mode tonight BeeD: Isn't it wonderful? LeeB: Very wonderful. What a greeeaat group. GrahamS: Steve, you can decide on the license, but most podcasts are licensed under a Creative Commons license AaronPC: The possiblities are amazing. SusanneN: yes, Granny appreciates these learning moments , day & night BeeD: I have lately become a photographer...and now am about to start a career in podcasting SteveN: Where are the terms of the Creative Commons license published? DafneG: good to have new things to learn :-) BeeD: http://www.creativecommons.org SteveN nods appreciatively to BeeD SusanneN: 'I love those photo pools in Flickr, Bee GrahamS: I have, like Aaron, an elective credit that's a content-based course - mine is Theme Tourism, and I'm preparing podcasts for the students for October DaveGst3: Outstanding presentation, Graham. Good night, ya'll! AaronPC: I'd like to listen to one of those Graham ScottLo: ciao DaveGst3 GrahamS: Good night Dave - glad you liked it BeeD: See you Dave..thanks for coming DennisOl: Thanks, Graham. I've got a lot of reading to do! DaveGst3 left the room (signed off). SteveN listens closely to Graham as he also teaches in a Tourism school... RitaZ: thank you all, this is food for thought GrahamS: Goodnight Dennis - look forward to your first podcast LeeB: Thanks Graham. I will put all the links on deli.cio.us/webheads tomorrow! DafneG: thanks Graham you have given me homework ;-) Maggi: thank you Graham PeterTr: I'll second that. SusanneN: Torism, you could ask podcasters all over the wrold to send sound bites with something from their palces or from their travels AaronPC: I gotta run myself.....thanks so much Graham. BeeD: Lee is the webhead archiviste AaronPC: I have so much to think about on the train to work! BeeD: Havfe a great day SteveN: Thanks Graham! SusanneN: great Lee, I love your webheads tag page very helpful AaronPC: See you next week. GrahamS: The course is a 7 session course and I've been looking for a way to provide extra input that's not text-based. Podcasting is perfect for this LeeB: Thanks for the intro.Bee ..:) ScottLo: where is this webheads tag page? GrahamS: See you Aaron SusanneN: ooh, midnight and full moon here, now! DanielC: Thanks Graham and all, I've learned a lot lurking here. BeeD: Thanks Graham for sharing all this with us AaronPC left the room (signed off). PeterTr: Very inspiring. Thanks very much Graham for an excellent podcast and session. Bye now. SteveN: Graham...what level are you teaching? PeterTr left the room (signed off). LeeB: http://deli.cio.us/webheads GrahamS: Bye Daniel ScottLo: thx lee SusanneN: I think it was, www.del.icio.us/webheads
Tappedin transcript for DanielC, 2005.06.19 15:12:11